Regarding how long I'll stay on the diet. First of all, raw milk, raw butter, and raw cheese taste 100 times better than most foods. You also acquire a taste for raw meat believe it or not. At least I did, I can't speak for anyone else. And raw honey. If I feel the need for something outside the diet I eat it, but it doesn't happen very often.
Regarding quitting diets in general. Let's be honest, some people will quit ANY diet, including veganism.
The people who try the Primal Diet are different than regular people in the sense that we're doing it to resolve life threatening diseases and no one ever wants to go back. So we're committed for life. Does it mean we eat all raw food every day? Of course not. Every week I eat cooked food with family and friends. I eat junk food once every 3 weeks (however some foods now taste disgusting, I can taste the chemicals in some chocolates).
I don't share your views on killing animals, sorry. Or karma. Even if I did, for my particular body I'm 100% sure I'd need raw eggs, raw milk, and raw butter to sustain me in good health. I know this because I've already tried veganism.
There is no reason for me to be vegan again (and take IV vitamin C), my cancer is in remission and I get healthier every day. I also like the way the diet makes me look and feel.
Back to science again, Dr Bass, a natural hygienicist, who was once vegan, tested several diets, and found that a complete protein like an egg needed to be included in vegetarian diet for longevity and vitality. I'd advise you to include eggs in your diet but you seem committed to veganism, which is ok, it's not my life.
Sometimes I wish health practioners were a little bit more openminded, I find that they're all kind of arrogant in the sense that they all assume that the diet that makes THEM healthy is also the diet that will make everyone healthy.
There are people that are fruitarians, there are even breatharians, but it doesn't mean that I can do it. Everyone is different you know, which is a fact that is lost on many people, even in alternative health.
Oct 28, 2009 Rating
Different diet part 1 by: Jason
In my comment, I mixed the terms vegan and vegetarian a few times. Aajonus, at 20, was on a vegan diet and his cancer reoccured after 5 years. Which is amazing imo, but still, it was not in full remission. I was also on a vegan diet (inspired by the book "Dying to Get Well"), and Shelley Keck convinced me not to eat animal products in the same way you're trying to convince me now. While it was cleansing, my liver did not heal appreciably in 8 months. While the vegan diet worked for Shelley (and you), it did not work for me. I don't know if you can understand, but 8 months is a long time to wait while you have cancer.
You asked "why choose a diet where you have to kill animals?" What makes you think with 100% certainty that your methods would work for me? What percentage of clients live more than 5 extra years without allopathic procedures? Honestly.
>> Also, we will see how long you stay on this diet and remain happy and peaceful.
That's not very nice. I don't think any diet can guarantee you happiness and peace, but so far so good. I've met a few people that have been doing this for 10 years and they seem fine.
Oct 28, 2009 Rating
Primal Diet vs Paleo Diet by: Jason
Just to clear some thing up, the Primal Diet and Paleo Diets should not be used interchangeably, because they are very different, especially in healing potential and even when it comes to food combinations.
Primal Diet was created by Aajonus Vonderplanitz and all of the food is raw, and I understand many Paleo Diets cook their meat. Also, the Primal Diet has a lot of full fat raw milk, raw cheese, and raw honey in it, that Paleo diets do not. Also, whole vegetables are not eaten, but veggie juice (certain veggies only) is. There are also some other differences but I won't go into it farther.
Oct 28, 2009 Rating
RE: Ghandi by: Jason
Ghandi and 22 followers tried to follow a vegan diet for 16 years and couldn't do it. I think it's significant, only because Ghandi was a hardcore vegan. Maybe the vegetation in India is completely crap, but maybe it's not.
Ghandi didn't have supplements and vitamin C IV drips back then, maybe that's the difference? In my experience, most vegans rely on supplements.
Oct 27, 2009 Rating
Ethics, Ethics, Ethics.....the most important isssue in the end..... by: Corin Stephenson
I too know one long-term raw meat eating “paleo diet” person who seems to be a very sweet person, but I have no facts or proof of how much meat he really eats, as I have not asked him. I’m sure Aajonus is a very sweet, helpful man as well. You say that he is a healthy 70 year old which is great. We’ll see how long he lives.
Also, we will see how long you stay on this diet and remain happy and peaceful. As I have written, I find very few people actually continue eating the diet for very long. Most go back to eating cooked food.
Ethically, your argument that we kill plants when we eat them is a very poor argument and does not hold up at all and I urge you to reconsider your words. The main reason not to eat animals has nothing to do with health. Whether you believe in Karma or not, I urge you to read “Diet for a New America” by John Robbins, at least for his compassionate message.
Jason, in the end, the point is not how healthy one diet is compared to the other, but instead, if people are permanently reversing their cancer and other diseases with the raw vegan diet and other therapies like IV vitamin C therapy etc…, then why choose a diet where you have to kill animals? Why not just do the raw vegan thing. You yourself say you have tried a vegetarian diet, but you have not said you tried the raw vegan diet. Why not?
Oct 27, 2009 Rating
Ghandi quote proves nothing... by: Anonymous
Here is tha actual full story from Arnold Devries book that you partially quoted:
In 1929, Gandhi and 22 companions went on a diet consisting of a limited selection of uncooked plant foods. Whereas the diet worked out well for a time and led to marked improvement in consumptive cases, it failed to prove adequate on a long-range sustenance basis. One by one Gandhi's companions were forced to depart from the diet, and Gandhi himself had to add goat milk to his fare in order to regain health.
"For my companions I have been a blind guide leading the blind," declared Gandhi after the experiment was over. Gandhi still felt, however, that "the hidden possibilities of the innumerable seeds, leaves and fruits" of the earth could be explored and found to provide mankind with adequate nourishment. He never stopped trying to experiment along these lines, but he always had to turn back to goat milk to regain his strength.
In the end he had to acknowledge the necessity for animal food. In 1946 he declared: "The crores of India today get neither milk nor ghee nor butter, nor even buttermilk. No wonder that mortality figures are on the increase and there is a lack of energy in the people. It would appear as if man is really unable to sustain life without either meat or milk and milk products. Anyone who deceives people in this regard or countenances the fraud is an enemy of India."
What this quote actually shows is not that Ghandi had proven that a raw vegan diet was not possible, but instead, that in the circumstances of his life, and the exact food he was eating did not work for him. This does not prove that people need dairy. I agree that for Ghandi, and others in India at the time, or even in India now (I went to India for a month in 2006), that to have a more balanced diet there, raw dairy would likely be more balanced as it is so hard to get a variety of nutrition in that country. Again though, this proves nothing as far as the raw vegan/ raw meat argument is concerned. If Ghandi were alive today in America or other European country, he could easily be healthy on a raw vegan diet, as thousands of others are.
Oct 27, 2009 Rating
Of course a vegetarian diet will not keep cancer in remission... by: Corin Stephenson
Hi Jason. Thank you for your post. Even though I am aware that the raw meat primal diet will help many reverse disease, I still see it as quackery to present it as being a healthy long-term diet, and because there are many other natural ways to reverse disease without having to resort to eating animal flesh raw. This is why I use the term "quack" diet under the heading "alternatives." I do not see this as a contradiction.
As I have already written, I agree that it can help reverse cancer and other health problems, however, as I have also written, there are other, just as powerful ways to do this. Notice I do NOT mention the vegetarian diet as one of these. However, I don?t mention a meat-centered diet either. What I mention is the raw vegan diet, which is totally different from a vegetarian diet. So I agree with you that a vegetarian diet will not keep cancer in remission.
I am very happy for you that you have your diseases in remission from the Primal Diet and that you are happy and at peace. I am also glad that you say it has not created a problem with B.O. or anger for you. I would be interested to see, one, if you continue to eat this way for the rest of your life, and two, if 5 years from now or so, negative things start to develop in your life as a consequence.
